“To find a prince, you have to kiss a lot of frogs.” This may be a mantra for the Venus-Neptune aspects, as finding a dream man or woman to merge with is your compelling quest. Unlike the Venus-Pluto or Venus-Saturn types who can turn their backs on love after getting badly burned, Venus-Neptune people get involved over and over again. Finding the perfect love is both his dream and his illusion. Feeling disillusioned with someone who is never clearly seen in the first place, they move on to another who triggers their soulmate fantasy, and to another and to another.
Kissing frogs can become a habit for them. Many are drawn to people who are hurt or failed in some tragic way, believing that they can rescue them with their love. They can fall in love with troubled souls or even rogues with a heart of gold, feeling their potential. This is, in part, an unwise use of Neptune’s compassion, a gift for perceiving the immaculate soul that underlies even the most troubled or destructive personality. The gift is best used in the service professions or volunteer work, such as mentoring a troubled teenager. However, even in the fields of service, people with these aspects should be careful lest shady boundary violations occur. Clear boundaries, in general, are not strong in this regard.
AstroDatabase biographies show that as a result of poor choices, notables with this aspect are a very married bunch, with four not infrequent marriages. Director Roger Vadim has been married five times, including such glamorous movie stars as Brigitte Bardot and Jane Fonda. Supermodel Cheryl Tiegs was married four times before settling down with a yoga teacher. The spiritual master, JZ Knight, Ramtha’s channel, got married five times at last count. Larry King still marries with great regularity after 70.
Any list of famous and infamous, of course, is skewed by the pressures and privileges of that lifestyle. While the divorce rate is now 50% in many parts of the country, it should be 80% in Hollywood. The marital histories of ordinary people with difficult aspects of Venus-Neptune are not always so extreme. Many of them, in fact, do not leave the companions that they should, following the advice of the country singer, the late Tammy Wynette. Wynette’s song “Stand by Your Man” made him famous. You won’t be surprised to find that it had a close Venus-Neptune opposition, with Venus in Pisces. Married five times, she obviously didn’t follow her own advice, but her song struck a chord in Neptunian women around the world that equated love with suffering. In the psyche of Venus-Neptune individuals, love and pain sometimes merge, and there is a romantic notion that the more it hurts, the safer a great love story must be.
Love and abuse
Wealth, fame, and looks are no guarantee of a great love life – witness the famous Venus-Neptune women locked in abusive relationships. Tina Turner, who owns the plaza, endured seventeen years of abuse from Ike before leaving. Pamela Anderson, who also has the plaza, came out of an abusive relationship with Tommy Lee more quickly. Loni Anderson, squared between Venus in Cancer and Neptune in Libra, had a painful marriage and a difficult divorce with Burt Reynolds, who himself has a trine between Venus in Capricorn and Neptune in Virgo.
Even the trine doesn’t always bring out the best in this regard: Nicole Brown Simpson had a trine from Venus in Cancer to Neptune in Scorpio. Although the Venus of OJ was 8 ° of a square to his Neptune in Libra, it was in conjunction with the Venus of Nicole, which closely squared his Neptune. (Justin Simpson, the son of OJ and Nicole, has an opposition between Venus and Chiron in Cancer and Neptune in Capricorn.)
With celebrity examples, domestic violence would appear more common with the square than with other aspects, but it must be emphasized that no aspect of the graph can be considered the signature of such a complex pattern. The full chart, plus the partner chart and how the two interlaced charts should be analyzed. As an example, look at the lists of singers Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston, shown on the next page. They had a stormy and allegedly violent relationship, and their domestic incidents, and drug abuse-related disorders, repeatedly made headlines. Whitney has Venus and the Sun conjunct in Leo square to Neptune in Scorpio in the eighth, while Bobby has Venus and Chiron conjunct Aries in an out-of-sign trine with Neptune in late Scorpio. In the fall of 2006, Whitney filed for divorce and went to rehab, hopefully ending her addictions this time.
Again, other characteristics of the charts influence the pattern. Bobby also has Mars in Scorpio conjunct Neptune on one side and his Midheaven Scorpio on the other, with Mars squaring his first house Aquarius Sun. His strong Mars indicates a volatile temperament, especially considering various planets in Aries. , including a narrow quincunx between Mars and Saturn. In the Whitney chart, another indicator of a volatile marriage is the Pluto-Uranus conjunction in its Descendant, opposite Chiron in Pisces in the Ascendant. Their stormy relationship and fiery chemistry were cemented by synastry, most especially the many connections between the planets that each have in fixed signs. Your Sun Leo and Venus are opposed to your Sun Aquarius. Your Sun squares your Scorpio Mars. Saturn in Aquarius conjugates its Sun and squares its Mars. She has a close square between Venus and Neptune, with her Neptune exactly in her Midheaven and her Venus square. The aspects of Saturn between them – your Saturn on your Sun and your Saturn on your Moon and Jupiter – add more durability and suggest that, in some unfathomable way, they gave each other a sense of security and stability.
© 2006 by Donna Cunningham, MSW